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Lolaperon
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Posted - 10/11/2005 :  18:48:25  Show Profile  Visit Lolaperon's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Has anyone ever wondered if Bipolar disorder REALLY exists? I wonder this quite frequently when I am shelling out oodles of money for health insurance and medications...could I survive on no meds, if I just self-regulated? Could anyone?



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Lolaperon
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Posted - 10/12/2005 :  16:38:42  Show Profile  Visit Lolaperon's Homepage  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I work with a psychologist who thinks that perhaps medications are not necessary for people with BP....it makes my little brain hurt sometimes.

Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% what you make of it.
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SheerLin
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Posted - 10/17/2005 :  16:13:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Hi Lolperon,
I know bipolar exists. I don`t think you can get away with not using medication. Tom Cruise is NOT a dr of any kind and went on tv talking about how Brook Sheilds was wrong to take antidepressants. I used to take effexor and it sent me into hypermania 11 months ago, and the week I spent in hospital because of it, it was very real.I am bp2. Tom Cruise is one person who attaches a negative sigma to this desease.

SheerLin
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weemozz
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Posted - 10/19/2005 :  14:44:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
hi lolaperon, im a newbie. My thoughts are that everything in life needs a label. I have looked at a few BP sites for somone who has the same experiences as me, but you know what? no one does. The only thing we have in common is that we all have the same behaviours to one degree or another. My Doc says "they" think its diagnosed on a spectrum, so we all are placed on the spectrum somewhere.
if i could survive on no meds, to me it would meant that im not losing it, and the fact that I queue up with my prescription tells me that I accept/realise/?? I have something wrong with meCall it whatever you want,BP1 or2 Depression, episodes!!! all I know is that i dont like it and would give anything for these feelings to go away, at the moment the meds help, so they get my vote. I know I Have a little/some control over my moods, but it is also very very very tiring and that leads to problems in itself. The meds have given me a break, that I very much needed, so people can call me what they like, Just give me my meds!!! ha ha ha
kind thoughts
Keep going, I hope you know they are worth every penny
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neatneats
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Posted - 11/03/2005 :  17:40:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
hiya, I definatley wonder if its real, but in the sense of-- do I want to believe I have a mental illness? I always thought I was normal and nobody understood my thoughts,feelings or actions. Then I met my doctor and after nearly a year of "psyco-analysis" and antidepressants we got to the bottom of my world and there lay BIPOLAR!! All of a sudden for the first time in my self inflicted traumatic life I had somebody who understood exactly what I was like and why. So to me this is a breakthru, and believing in it or not it fits me down to a T. The hardest part to deal with for me tho is the rugged past that this cruel illness inflicted onto me and I dont hink that will ever go away??
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weemozz
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Posted - 11/04/2005 :  12:04:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I always Knew I was different!!! I called it the darkness, or my "evil twin sister" I had my own coping mechanisms but evemtually it all came crashing down!!! I know its real!!! what I cant cope with now is the list of things I have to do to stay stable. I cant do it. I dont like being calm all the time, i dont feel anything, especially not a twinkle of a "high". I know this is the way to go, but I miss my highs, it was my cure for the lows. Now I dont have anything. I cant socialise with my friends ( drinking) I need to go to bed early because Im always tired. I must stand by my other post, and say that the meds have been a god send, but its the thought that this is for ever, is the hardest
THere's nothing else for it, may be we all have aspects that we find difficult to accept. I dont care If I have a label of BP I just want to have the flexibility of my feelings and I know that I wont be able to have that ever again. I hope this makes sense
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LLOliverR
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Posted - 11/05/2005 :  18:57:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
weemozz,

I recently read "An Unquiet Mind" by Kay Jamison Redfield. (I might have her last 2 names switched....you know how these meds will play mind games with a person and I can never remember if its "Jamison Redfield or "Redfield Jamison". I guess I should be glad I can remember it at all, but then again I see it all the time in my readings. But I digress....) In the book she talks about her emotions feeling muted. She discussed it with her doctor and they changed her dosages and it helped her tremendously. You might mention it to your doctor and see if that MIGHT be an option for you. For God's sake, don't try it by yourself!!! Kay didn't and she's a doctor herself.

Good luck.

LL
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neville222
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Posted - 11/05/2005 :  23:39:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Well, I endured 10 years of non medicated psychotherapy twice a week for one hour each session. This was a Freudian style scenario; you know, couch, taking notes, bla, bla.
It cost a fortune but as the Canadians on here say medical services are subsidised in most countries except the one which could most afford it and that's USA.

Anyway, the doctor never told me I had Bipolar. He scoffed at my suggestion that medications might help me. The most he gave me was an anti-anxiety drug. I really did not improve over that time period. In fact, I got worse. So bad that the education department had me sent to a diagnostic doctor to see if he could help when I just simply broke down and cried in the classroom one day.

This doctor was FURIOUS when he heard my history and of my treatment. He diagnosed me as moderately severe Bipolar 2. Since then, although I chose not to return to teaching, I have been on medication and the 3 weekly rapid cycling ceased.

Not everything feels roses. Not by a long shot. But, I knew there was something wrong with me. I can relate to the stories other say on here and on other places.
Not at first however. I thought I was normal enough and just a highly strung, over sensitive person. I used to get told that my problems were all in my mind or in my head.
Well, OF COURSE they were!!!

That's the trouble. Because there is a problem with the complex organ, the brain (FAR more complex than a heart,) people cannot see proof of it except via behaviour. They then use every other excuse available to place blame on the person. They say you are not controlling yourself properly, that you are possessed, that it was your potty training, a liking for alcohol, maybe one sniffed the dreaded weed (I never did), anything except maybe a disease called Bipolar.
I get very disgusted.
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weemozz
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Posted - 11/06/2005 :  08:42:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Thanks LL


Im so new to all this, and I dont know what you have to suffer and what you dont, I was going to discuss my list of side effects with my Psychiatrist on my next visit, but i dont want to seem ungreatfull, because my meds have certainly stablised me and im am a lot more content and feel that I belong in my life and others.
But I will definately mention my emotions, but again I thought that this was the whole point; to stop me becoming emotional and feeling high and low to every day events? I think I have to do more home work
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LLOliverR
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Posted - 11/06/2005 :  11:55:39  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
weemozz,

Glad I could I help! My Mom has to constantly remind me that that is what we pay these doctors the big bucks for! (At least in the U.S.)

LL
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lrafferty
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Posted - 02/22/2006 :  22:34:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Could it be that society has yet another avenue by which they would be excused from responsibility ? I pose this question not in sarcasm nor in contempt but mostly in ignorance of those individuals with "bipolar" conditions. Personal experience with several persons afflicted with the condition seem to have the ability to selectively control the episodes they create in order to relieve themselves of the basic concept of taking responsibility for one's actions. With all of this said, could it be possible that the cure to this is not found in high priced drugs for our children, but a consistent and stable parenting model that includes little tolerance for disobedience ? Please enlighten me.

Dear Irafferty,

Bipolar Disorder is the 6th leading cause of disability (ages 15-44) in the developed world. I would suggest you read http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-md02.html.

A major reason why we started this internet Support Community is to educate others concerning this brain disorder.

I can assure you that Bipolar Disorder is not just a way of avoiding responsibility. Usually, in the depressed phase of Bipolar Disorder, individuals are consumed with guilt over being a burden to their families and letting their families down.

In the mixed phase of Bipolar Disorder, an individual can cycle frequently during the day from the suicidal depths of depression to the dangerous excitement of mania. There is no way to "psychologically explain" such rapid mood changes; only a biologically caused brain disorder could cause such rapid mood fluctuation.

Psychiatrists are convinced that Bipolar Disorder is a medical disorder just as "real" as hyperthyroidism or amphetamine intoxication (which can mimic many of the symptoms of mania).

You are very welcome to learn more from our members about this important brain disorder. Welcome Irafferty to our community, and I hope you find the knowledge you seek.

Phil Long M.D.
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RedRocket
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Posted - 02/23/2006 :  08:15:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Lrafferty, I think you will find the following link quite helpful to your quest:

(Sorry Red Rocket, I appreciate the humor - actually it was hilarious - but reluctantly I had to delete this link. Phil Long M.D., Administrator )

cheers
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tommydean
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Posted - 03/11/2006 :  11:41:45  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I thought this message board was for sufferers of BP. What is this Lrafferty doing here, then? Why would a person sign up to a group only to ridicule it. Well, I guess there's all kinds.

I have a little to say on the subject of "Is Bipolar real?". But it's definitely not a yes or a no. It's just that I ponder this question a lot. Mostly when depressed, I think. And then I answer myself "no", so I have one more thing to dread. As in, "BP doesn't exist, therefore my meds don't and won't help, therefore I'm DOOMED." Doomed is where I always go when depressed.

In clearer moments, I also toy with the idea that bp is something besides a "mental illness", meaning congenital. I often think I learned a tendency of thinking that leads me to depression and despair (and occasionally to potency and elation). Or, instead of the thinking that leads to it, depression itself may be a defense mechanism. (Does this give Lrafferty satisfaction?) To what, I do not know. (Dozens of personal stories from sufferers [and, yes, Lrafferty, we do suffer] suggests that a ****ty childhood at least goes hand in hand with this "illness"). But I do know from 20 odd years of grueling experience, self-blame is no help--to myself or anybody else.

So, I guess I'm back where I started, in a way. No closer to an answer. Vaguely hoping that scientific research will tell us more.

But, in another way, since beginning treatment for bp 5 months ago, I am moving forward, and no longer on the same treadmill of guilt, shame, and hopelessness. I am blaming myself less, I am feeling like I belong to a community of sufferers, and by extension society at large, and I now have hope.

Not cured, perhaps, but better off...

Tommy Dean
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tommydean
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Posted - 03/11/2006 :  11:51:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
BTW there is a website called www.go****yourself.com. I had to check. It's got forums just like this one; trouble is, I can't quite figure out what it's all about...

Tommy Dean
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scjb
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Posted - 10/31/2006 :  19:20:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
I am not bipolar but I need some info on this. I have been involved with a woman for twelve years that I believe may have the symptoms of BP. I need some advice and direction. I love her. I want someone with a BP diagnosis or a family member of someone that is diagnosed with BP to please contact me thru my e-mail. My e-mail is ...

[Sorry Scjb, we ask that our members not give out their email addresses. Instead, we ask that all communication be kept public by posting on this board. Phil Long M.D. Administrator ]
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Iam_Xtreme
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Posted - 11/01/2006 :  05:40:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote  Reply to Topic
Is BiPolar real? I suffer from it and it is very real to me. I have just recently been diagnosed so my meds are not balanced yet but it is a process.

I have tried to do it without meds and it was a major mistake. I became so depressed that I did not want to live anymore. They would not put me in the hospital because I refused to say that I was going to kill myself ( I am spiritual) so I had to come home and ride it out alone. It was very hard and a horrible place to be in - I vowed that I am not going to go back to that dark place again so now I take meds.

I am married to a very supportive man and when he tells me that he will leave if I do not remain on my meds then I know that it is serious.

I think that we also have to remember how our behavior effects those around us when we are trying to decide to take meds or not. When we are not on meds it makes our loved ones lives much harder and we must always remember that it is not always about us.

Hugs - Xtreme
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